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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Feb 10, 2011 8:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non Dead: Stunning Accomplishment

SDH, I do not share your optimism. Putin replaced Yeltsin in Russia, (Vlad is an ex-KGB officer) turning Russia back to it's authoritarian ways. Omar Suleiman (ex-intelligence officer) is cut from the same cloth as all recent 'Presidents' of Egypt since Nasser. All were high level officers in the only solidifying force in the country, the army. If, if he allows a political culture to form to replace the only current one, the Muslim Brotherhood (whose first goal is to attack Israel) then maybe. I hope so.
I wonder if going into Iraq is beginning to bear fruit as that country's elections and elected government are a (quite imperfect) beacon to millions of oppressed Arabs. All of these countries have experienced unrest, green shoots of freedom to the jackboot recently.
Algeria, Bahrain, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Tunisia, and Yemen.

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Poster: dark.starz Date: Feb 10, 2011 9:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non Dead: Stunning Accomplishment

"I wonder if going into Iraq is beginning to bear fruit"

What going into and tearing down Iraq did was to strengthen Iran's position as the dominate leader in the Gulf. The Saudi's are scared shitless as they witness the chaos across the border in Egypt because the Saudi's have no military and are dependant on the US 6th fleet to protect their mutual interest (oil development) in the region.

Without continued US Military presence and dominance in Iraq, there is the risk of tribal revolts, which at one time were endemic to the Kurdish and Shiite regions of Iraq. Today, the Kurds' dependence on U.S. support makes a Kurdish revolt of any kind unlikely. Iran continues to supply Sunni's and insurgents with weapons technology.

What remains as the obvious fruit of the Iraq Invasion; 4,400 US Troops killed, 32,000 US Troops injured, 110,000 Iraqi casualties and a cost to the US Government of $800 Billion Dollars.

Looks to my eyes that the fruit is rotten and toxic and was most definitely served up by that happy and lovable US Trio of Bush > Cheney > Rumsfeld.

No wonder why the majority of countries around the World hate the United States of America. Good work!

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Feb 10, 2011 1:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non Dead: Stunning Accomplishment

"Looks to my eyes that the fruit is rotten and toxic and was most definitely served up by that happy and lovable US Trio of Bush > Cheney > Rumsfeld."

Agreed. I'd disagree with the $800 billion number - when you tally up the interest on that debt, the reparations and rebuilding, taking care of those 32,000 wounded with medical and benefits, not to mention the repercussions in the region - that number will be trillions in legacy to future generations.

Whistle through your teeth and spit...

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Poster: ducats Date: Feb 10, 2011 3:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non Dead: Stunning Accomplishment

even if its a trillion - over 25 yrs. we spend 2 trill+ every 12 months. seems like a no brainer to me.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Feb 10, 2011 8:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non Dead: Stunning Accomplishment

Of course it is very possible that what replaces what was is just more of the same, but at least the opportunity for change, something undreamable only a few weeks ago, is present. Not sure if this uprising can replicate iteself in other countries, but if nothing else it has shown that the chance to choose one's destiny is possible anwhere. Perhaps we can even learn how to change our own.



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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Feb 10, 2011 9:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non Dead: Stunning Accomplishment

Re: "But, if nothing else, [Citizens Protesting and Speaking Out] has shown that the chance to choose one's destiny is possible anywhere. Perhaps we can even learn how to change our own."

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